I’m Anthony.

Hi, I’m Anna.

And we’re the Gallows.

We buy, renovate, and manage homes in Greenville, South Carolina.

While some investors chase the quick flip, we play the long game—famous last words—building our portfolio for the future.

When others run away from an opportunity—what do we have here? This is the swimming pool—we run toward it, and we do it all.

So, we’re ready for the next one.

We’re ready for the next one.

So when things go a little sideways—

We are definitely a rewire. You don’t even have a ground.

—there’s no one to blame, because flipping homes is harder than it looks.

It takes a great team, trusted partners, and a lot of hard work.

From choosing the right property, to securing financing, a contract, and a budget, to seeing our vision all the way through.

Join us for the real story of the ups and downs and everything in between.

Welcome to A Day in the Deal.

Greenville is special in a number of ways to us. I think most importantly, having the connection with the community and feeling that you can actually make a difference here is really what drew us here.

The Gallow Company is a vertically integrated boutique real estate firm. We have 12 employees. We’ve been here for nearly a decade, and we are making and producing products—and I think attracting individuals—that will leave a legacy on this community, hopefully a lot longer than the Gallow Company will be around.

I guess I never really thought I would be in real estate. But when I met Anthony, we kind of developed this idea of working in real estate.

First, I started with our own personal residence, working on that and designing it. It was, you know, kind of our first try at even designing together and doing some of the work together. And I think we were pleasantly surprised at how great things turned out.

Anna is my support for pretty much everything I do. So the confidence I have behind writing contracts, doing projects, and leading this team is because of her.

He has all the qualities that I don’t have. And so together, I think we complete each other. That sounds so corny, but it’s somewhat like that.

Yeah. Appreciate that.

As a child, you hear, “If you do something you love, you never work a day in your life.” And I don’t think I really understood that until we started working together.

Ultimately, I feel that we’re really grateful to be in a place that is welcoming. And as Greenville continues to grow, we’ll continue to have an opportunity to leave a legacy, and we’re very much on board with that.

Morning.

Morning. How are you?

Good. How are you?

Good. What’s going on?

Making tea.

What kind of tea are you making?

I am doing green tea hibiscus and then maybe a Russian Caravan.

How’s your morning?

Good.

You wanted some of the hibiscus?

Yes, please.

We’re getting ready to go see that house near Park.

Oh, cool.

Impeccable timing, Tower. How are you?

Good. How are you?

Great to see you. Good morning.

I think I’m in a tea mood today. What do we have going on here?

We have a green tea hibiscus, and then I know you’re a fan of the Russian Caravan, so I already have it out, ready to go.

Let’s do it.

We’ve got to get you caffeinated. We’ve got deals to close today.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Ronnie’s coming in at one.

Yes. So, I’m Ronnie with Finance of America Commercial.

Actually, that might work out well, because if we can get over to Park this morning, we could take a look. Then once he comes in this afternoon, we could probably put together a contract if it looks good.

That’s a quick turnaround.

Can do it. It’s all mental math. Paint and patch. Come on. Paint and patch.

We get our morning started strong around here.

I think this is the neighborhood we need to be in. Location, location, location. That’s great.

Well, having it right down the street from Town Street.

Do you think we need another house here, or should we look at a different neighborhood?

I know you don’t think we’re overly concentrated in one spot.

Well, we have the other few projects in Sans Souci. I do think we need to be cognizant, but that is another consideration: multifamily versus single-family.

I think the location goes without saying. It’s great. I think your comment about portfolio mix is valid.

Yeah, I think based on what we’re seeing from an absorption perspective, we’re positioned well to go with the single-family.

Here she is.

What do you think?

It looks great.

Move-in ready.

Yeah, this is beautiful. Feels right.

Very cute. Look at that.

It almost looks like it doesn’t need anything.

Already got our house numbers. Let’s go see what’s going on inside there.

We’ve got our swing already.

Yeah, this is really cozy.

Do you want to try it out?

Okay.

Home sweet home.

When was this house built?

About a hundred years ago.

It would be nice to keep it as a single-family residential.

The portfolio, I think, would warrant it.

I love the windows here. Probably wouldn’t need to replace them.

What do we have back here? Expansive kitchen.

Oh, look at that. It goes out into the backyard.

Oh, that’s cute. Is there a creek in the back?

There is. Look at that.

Definitely have some mature foliage here. We’d have to clean it up.

This would be an awesome amenity to have near downtown.

Yeah.

Nice that it’s raining. We can see if there are any leaks.

This kitchen is not going to work.

It’s really small. Let me see. I like coming in through the front also, but the problem is it’s just too small.

I mean, if we were to move that kitchen over, what is that?

So, what would this be then?

It’s just big enough to be a bedroom.

This is not big enough to be a bedroom.

I mean, the door of a study.

Yeah. Well, with the door. Yeah.

I don’t know. Maybe we could put the kitchen on this side.

Well, you’ve got the natural light coming in. That would work. We could put the dishwasher into the island and maybe put the refrigerator along the side, so you’d have enough room for the appliances.

You just have to get—can you get rid of that fireplace?

I’d be more inclined to keep it if it wasn’t already painted.

We can cover it up.

So, I think I’m comfortable with relocating the kitchen, but for me to get comfortable with this, we need to see the rest of the floor plan.

Want to go check this out?

This appears to be a bathroom here, but—

All right, let’s go see the rest.

Not really sure what’s going on.

Oh, we have a resident stink bug. Evidently, I thought it was vacant.

Is this the only bathroom?

The only bathroom.

Oh my gosh.

So, this can’t work. Look at this setup.

What in the—what is going on here?

Oh, musical doors. This is crazy.

Oh, look. There’s another exterior entrance in here.

Parking.

Oh, yeah. And look, there’s a little sitting area.

So, with this being a fireplace in here, this certainly was always configured as a duplex.

I know. It’s just a little awkward of a design.

Look at this. It’s almost like they added that vanity space afterward or something.

Well, maybe we’ll see what this room—

Yeah. Let’s go take a look.

So, that’s the second bedroom.

There’s a lot of windows in this place.

Great for natural light, not great for wall space.

So, if we’re convinced the single-family route is the way to go, we just need to have one more conversation: is it a duplex or single-family residential, and what is the cost for each?

I mean, being in here, I don’t know if I can foresee us being able to fit two units in here, which would be ideal, but I just don’t think the layout’s going to work.

I would agree that it’d be advantageous for multifamily, but I think the floor plan is a challenge.

I would agree.

I think if you look here next to the fireplace—especially if we’re not using the fireplace—

Mhm.

If you think between that closet and that room that’s awkwardly shaped, you have a closet in the other room. If we utilize the space around the fireplace, there’s probably enough area to fit a bathroom.

The next question would be moving these walls to make it work. But I think we’re still doing some significant redesigns to make that work.

At this point, we’re probably going to have to talk to Ronnie and see if the numbers make sense. But we’re ultimately replumbing a kitchen, which you’re going to have to do anyway.

At least two bedroom bathrooms.

Mhm.

So, two bathrooms replumbed, a kitchen, the electrical—I didn’t bring my tester, but I am seeing three-prong outlets. But if you assume a rewiring of the home, and then we know our MEPs, at least you’re only doing one unit instead of two.

That’s true.

I need to take a look at the numbers, but this is off-market. We’re going to have to move relatively quickly.

Just knowing the ARVs on this specific street and our purchase price, I’m pretty confident that we should move on this quickly. It’s going to go.

The house next door went on the market. They had multiple offers in one day, and it went significantly over ask. So, I think we need to move quickly.

Yeah.

Next time on A Day in the Deal, the Gallows make their move on Park Avenue.

I think I’m ready to move forward.

That is, if they can get it funded.

One deal. One lender.

Have we looked at numbers at all yet?

One make-or-break phone call.